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The teaching of Christ -- 2 John 9
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RE: The teaching of Christ -- 2 John 9

hey abe, just a small favor? lighten up on the white space, will ya?
it doesn't make any of your musings more "profound." it just wastes bandwidth.
whaddaya say?


Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. Of these I am foremost.--1 Timothy 1:15.

Above all things, have INTENSE Love for one another.--1 Peter 4:8.

Sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts. ... Hold a good conscience.--1 Peter 3:15, 16.

TRUTH IS SIMPLE.
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RE: The teaching of Christ -- 2 John 9

isomam Wrote:
hey abe, just a small favor? lighten up on the white space, will ya?
it doesn't make any of your musings more "profound." it just wastes bandwidth.
whaddaya say?



isomam,

I am a programmer, not a writer.

I write code most of the day.

My thoughts are more vertical.

Sub ()

Do While x

Case y

End case

For a

count = count +1

Next a

If then

Else exit.

End if

Loop

End Sub


Makes more sense and is easier to understand than:

Sub(); Do While x; Case y; End case; For a: count = count + 1; next a; If then; Else exit; End if; Loop; End Sub



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RE: The teaching of Christ -- 2 John 9

ablebodiedman Wrote:

isomam Wrote:
hey abe, just a small favor? lighten up on the white space, will ya?
it doesn't make any of your musings more "profound." it just wastes bandwidth.
whaddaya say?



isomam,

I am a programmer, not a writer.

I write code most of the day.

My thoughts are more vertical.

Sub ()

Do While x

Case y

End case

For a

count = count +1

Next a

If then

Else exit.

End if

Loop

End Sub


Makes more sense and is easier to understand than:

Sub(); Do While x; Case y; End case; For a: count = count + 1; next a; If then; Else exit; End if; Loop; End Sub



abe


ok, abe. i will just continue to wait for your much-needed 're-programming.' :huh:


Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. Of these I am foremost.--1 Timothy 1:15.

Above all things, have INTENSE Love for one another.--1 Peter 4:8.

Sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts. ... Hold a good conscience.--1 Peter 3:15, 16.

TRUTH IS SIMPLE.
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RE: The teaching of Christ -- 2 John 9

isomam Wrote:
ok, abe. i will just continue to wait for your much-needed 're-programming.' :huh:


isomam,

I do get some comfort that I am being asked to defend whitespace rather than content.

If there was a real bug in the code I am certain you would have let me know what it was, explained it, and backed it up with scripture.

I would then examine to see if your response was valid.

If it was valid, then I would indeed be re-programmed.

I would also then be obliged to thank you.


In Christ

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RE: The teaching of Christ -- 2 John 9

Hi Rus....:hibye:


This is my thoughts on the matter >



Live the Kingdom Now!! :clap:


LIVE THE KINGDOM NOW!!


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digital_punk Wrote:
Hi Rus....:hibye:


This is my thoughts on the matter >



Live the Kingdom Now!! :clap:

Greetings Beau !
Good answer !
How do we must "Live the Kingdom Now!!" ??
I like very much how Jesus answers to that question :
Matthew 7
24. Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine,
and doeth them
,
shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock:

25. and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and if fell not: for it was founded upon the rock.

So, "living the Kingdom now" is "doing" Jesus words after "hearing them" !

in Christ,
rus v.

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RE: The teaching of Christ -- 2 John 9

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rus virgil Wrote:
Bro Abe,
I am not sure if I understand corectly your answer


Bro rus,

Then let me try once again.

I believe that both Jesus Christs earlier teachings and his later teachings are correct.

That depends entirely on interpretation of scripture.

I interpret future tense and waiting.

Your interpretation is past tense and ruling.

They are very different interpretations.

With my interpretation I can say that his earlier teachings are correct!

I can say that his later teachings are also correct!

With your interpretation you can say his earlier teachings are correct!

But, you have to say that his later teachings are wrong!

The outcome is based only on interpretations.

I prefer my interpretation because I do not have to say that Jesus Christ is wrong.

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In Christ

abe

I am so sorry to say that I am not strong on english grammar at all , as also in prepositions ...
this is the reason I can't continue with this dialogue. I am not able to do it .
I don't refuse you, but I just can't do it.
I hope you understand me. :(

I want to continue with my thread .

greetings,
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So, "living the Kingdom now" is "doing" Jesus words after "hearing them" !

in Christ,
rus v.



Hi Rus Virgil, :D:clap:


Yes, I agree with you. :D

Doing Jesus word's after hearing them, is to Live the Kingdom Now. :thumbsup:

To not be in fear, to live in the Light, to live as Christians under the full authority of the Light in Jesus Christ. To be fully equipped with the weapons of the Light in God through Jesus. To know the meaning of real Love and Truth from God -- the only kind of Love and Truth that sets us free from the traps of the system.

There is only one Way.....and its all in Jesus. :friends:

He showed us how....we just have to listen, surrender, let go, and push our plows to the Kingdom!! :cheer:


Cheers brother! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


LIVE THE KINGDOM NOW!!


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rus virgil Wrote:
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furthermore , God's interpretation of His own word/prophecies does not change the teaching of Christ , but is founded/based on it, and built on it

and any prophecy' interpretation which at the end does change some of Jesus teachings is NOT from God, but of "private interpretation" see 2Peter 1:20 .

here I have to end my post,

in Christ,
rus v.


I think the way I have formulated the above proposition doesn't express correct my tought.

by saying "at the end" I did NOT mean "in the "time of the end",

I will try to express again the idea

"and any interpretation of a certain prophecy , which results in an opposition or contradiction with the "teaching of Jesus" (thruths Jesus has taught when on earth) ,
doesn't come from God's Spirit , but are of "private interpretation"

here an example: the interpretations that leads to conclusion that Jesus came in 1914 are wrong .
these interpretations were always wrong , but it happen that we have discerned that only during these last years ...

now, being proved our wrongness , and being convinced about it,
we have to seek and search continuously / constantly for truth !

in Christ,
rus v.

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THE BIBLE CHRONOLOGY REVEALED

THE BIBLE CHRONOLOGY REVEALED



No, I don't mean how many years (exactly) there are from Adam's creation until today... , because God did wrote the Bible according to his statement , "concealing the things" - Prov. 25:2.
...Nor how long is a "Creation Day" (of Genesis ) , because the length of the Creation days are not revealed to humans .

By "THE BIBLE CHRONOLOGY" expression I mean the prophetically "times" shown in Daniel's book , also in Revelation , and referred by Jesus in Luke 21:24.

They are "the seven times", "a time, times and half of time", "1260 days" , "1290 days" , "1335 days", "2300 evenings and mornings", "42 months" .
(Here I don't mention the "70 weeks" because these are not known yet. )

These times/chronology were not known to humans from the time of their uttering (in prophecies) until the recent time/years , so , no christian and no man on earth could know them !
Why that ?
Because they were parts of the prophecies wich were sealed by God , according to His will !
Daniel 12
9. And he said, Go thy way, Daniel;
for the words are shut up and sealed till the time of the end.

So, now it is easy to understand why all christians during the time from Jesus onward , and also during the "latter days" , until a few years ago, (2002) have failed when have tryied to explain or to "interpret" these times and when tryied to find their exactly "timeframe" , or corelation .
I have to say that all interpretations (of these times) believed by bro. Russell and the followers were not correct , they were "before-time" explanations, and , unfortunately, they were our "background" "in truth" .

Furthermore, these periods of time are directly related to an action which had to take place within "God's people" during the "latter days" , that is , the manifestation of the "man of lawlessness" which was kept secret .
The apostle Paul in 2Thessalonicians 2 says
7. For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;

Clearly, these "seven times" spoken by Daniel are directly related with the "lawlesness one" , which "lawlesness one" (his works and the times he is acting) is revealed at Jesus "coming" , of course , the "second" coming.
And the "the manifestation of his coming" is started already !

So, the "times" spoken of in Daniel are part of prophecies regarding God's people at the "latter days" (Dan. 10:14).
In fact, they represent the lenghtness of a certain actions during the latter days.

And now, the very important point is, that Jehovah has foretold the fact that His people will not understand these things (what will happen to him) until the end of the "latter days" period !
It is written
Jeremiah 23
20. The anger of Jehovah shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the intents of his heart:
in the latter days ye shall understand it perfectly.
Jeremiah 30
24. The fierce anger of Jehovah shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the intents of his heart:
in the latter days ye shall understand it.

The idea is that toward the end of the "latter days" period "ye shall understand perfectly" , that is the "end time", when Christ is "at the door" and He starts the judgement at "God's House", the Temple.

Again, Daniel's chonologies/times could not be understood before or prior the time of the understanding of the "Song of Moses" prophecy , because this Song is the key to understand the course of the events that take place during the "latter days" !

Well , when does the "latter days" begin ?
Absolutely interesting , there is no chronology in the Bible to point to , or to show when the "latter days" starts !
Because all these (period of)"times" of Daniel and Revelation have their place inside or within or during... the latter days !

So, the important question remains , when does the "latter days" start/ begin ?

In order to get the answer , we have to search first for the foretold events of the "latter days"
and when we can see the first main event , that necessarily must be an action of God , then we can approach to that time !

The Song of Moses states the fact that Jehovah has a people , He has mercy on him and cares of him
Deut.32
9. For Jehovah's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

10. He found him in a desert land, And in the waste howling wilderness;
He compassed him about, he cared for him, He kept him as the apple of his eye.

related to this we find also in Hosea 11
1. When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. (this world)

We see here that there is a peacefull relationship between Jehovah , and His "son" , Jacob
and He called him "out of Egypt"
very important : "out of Egypt" , and then, "in wilderness" or "wasted land" (where is no food)
The following step is, Jehovah gives food to them : the bread from heaven !
Psalm 78
24. And he rained down manna upon them to eat,
And gave them food from heaven.
Psalm 105
40. They asked, and he brought quails, And satisfied them with the bread of heaven.

Jesus explains what the "bread from heaven" is ... John 6
33. For the bread of God is that which cometh down out of heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
48. I am the bread of life.
51. I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.

"Jesus teaching" is that both his own body "given as offering"/"ransom price" , along with the teaching regarding how this ransom works means or is "the bread from heaven" !

Searching for a such an event , we find it in the book "Proclaimers" , at page 718 under the title "NOTEWORTHY EVENTS ..." this statement :

-- 1872 Russell and his study group come to appreciate the ransom price that Christ provided for humankind

Through a further study of the latter days events within "God's people" we will come to fully appreciate this data as the time when the "latter days get start" .

How the "relationship" between Jehovah and His people have gone forward (from 1872) we may find by reading the Song of Moses and also Hosea chapter 11 .

Now , at this point we find in God's word ... Hosea 12
13. And by a prophet Jehovah brought Israel up out of Egypt, and by a prophet was he preserved.
we may see here the role Jehovah has given to Bro. Russell as "a prophet".

The fact that Russell and his group of study have eat the "bread from heaven" is not the result of a man wisdom , but surely it is God's act !
He gave that light to his people on earth , and that was the distinctive sign that they are "Jehovah's people" , called for this purpose :
Titus 2
14. who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity,
and purify unto himself a people for his own possession, zealous of good works.

And, what were Jehovah's expectations regarding His people ?
Isaiah 63
8. For he said, Surely, they are my people, children that will not deal falsely: so he was their Saviour.

to be continued...

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the Heavenly Bread

Before to step forward on chronology, we have to emphasis on the "Heavenly Bread"

Why does God gave it to his people ?

The Heavenly bread is absolutely necessary to be eaten by each individual in order to become saint before God !

More than having faith that Jesus' death does provide the ransom for each son of Adam , the Bread from heaven is also a certain teaching of God preached by Jesus, explaining how this ransom works !
After requiring faith in Him , Jesus did teach/preached that that the man has to obey Father's commandaments and to clean his heart !
Why to clean the heart -the innerside ?
Let listen to Jesus
Mark 7
20 And he said, That which proceedeth out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, evil thoughts proceed, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
22 covetings, wickednesses, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, railing, pride, foolishness:
23 all these evil things proceed from within, and defile the man.
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20. And He said,
What comes out of a man is what makes a man unclean and renders [him] unhallowed.
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23. All these evil [purposes and desires] come from within, and they make the man unclean and render him unhallowed.
AB

God's clearly expressed will toward his people is
Leviticus 20
26. And ye shall be holy unto me: for I, Jehovah, am holy, and have set you apart from the peoples, that ye should be mine.

By his words, Jesus puts the responsability of cleaning the heart upon each one of his faithfull !
Why that ?
Because "out of one's heart" comes the "wilfully sin"
What kind of heart has a man who commit wilfully sin ?
A wicked heart (before Jehovah) !

So, Biblically , holly/saint = clean , as ap. Paul helps us to understand
1 Thess. 4
7. For God called us not for uncleanness, but in sanctification

Why did Jesus commanded us to "clean our innerside/heart" ?

Because the things come out from a wicked/uncleaned heart are wilfully sins/transgressions , and they are not covered/forgived by His blood , "after received the knowledge of the truth" !

Apostle Paul clearly expressed that in Hebrew 10
26. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins,

27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.

Then, what kind of sins are forgiven after ones "consecration" ?
They are called "infirmities", "weaknesses"
Heb. 4
15. For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16. Let us therefore draw near with boldness unto the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy, and may find grace to help us in time of need.
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15. For we do not have a High Priest Who is unable to understand and sympathize and have a shared feeling with our weaknesses and infirmities and liability to the assaults of temptation, but One Who has been tempted in every respect as we are, yet without sinning.
A.B.

Here it is the place to ask : why does the "fornicator" from Corinth has been forgiven ?
Does that proves that the wilfully sin is forgiven ?
Surely NOT !

But the reality is, when a man comes "from darkness to the light" , this is a process which requires some time . It does not happen instantly .
In this case God's mercy works this way : the repented person is forgiven with the strongly acknowledgement :to NOT repeat it anymore !
Let's see Jesus procedure in a such case
John 8
11. She answered, No one, Lord! And Jesus said, I do not condemn you either. Go on your way and from now on sin no more.

Let repeat this very important truth of God, exprimed also by Jesus :

The wilfully sin is NOT forgiven after being received the knowledge of the truth ! ( Hebrew 10:26. )

The above truth is a component part of the "Heavenly Bread" (a teaching) that every human soul must eat (learn it, believe it, obey it and practice it ) in order to gain LIFE and remain in LIFE .

This teaching was understood by Russel and all others who were "called to be holy"
That was that they have eaten "the Bread of heaven".

So, by eating it, Russell and his co-workers became "saints" , and so, at that point did start to happen the things foretold by God regarding the "people of saints" , as written in Daniel 7.

Also, according to Jesus parable about "wheat and weeds" , imediately after being the wheat sowed , someone/an enemy (a very known one) has sown the "weeds" among the wheat
and so, at that point did started to fulfill Jesus parable ...during the "latter days" , both the wheat and the weeds co-existing under the name of "God's people"
(but they were so alike, that no man could do any diference between the wheat and weeds ! )

The fact is that Russell and Rutherford have appreciated this Bread from heaven and they did not taught others to sin wilfully , but to avoid sin .

But the new team of seven persons who took control over God's people after Rutherford's death have proved to NOT apreciate that Bread from Heaven , that is, that they alloved the wilfully sin , of course , not in an open manner , but accordingly to what was written
2 Peter 2
1. But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers,
who shall privily bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
2. And many shall follow their lascivious doings; by reason of whom the way of the truth shall be evil spoken of.
ASV

1. BUT ALSO [in those days] there arose false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among yourselves,
who will subtly and stealthily introduce heretical doctrines (destructive heresies), even denying and disowning the Master Who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Indeed, the Man of Lawlessness has "subtly and stealthily" thrown the truth (about Christ's sacrifice) on the ground , but he did it ! ( Daniel 8:10-12 ).

to be continued,

in Christ,
rus virgil.

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rus virgil Wrote:
1. BUT ALSO [in those days] there arose false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among yourselves,
who will subtly and stealthily introduce heretical doctrines (destructive heresies), even denying and disowning the Master Who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Indeed, the Man of Lawlessness has "subtly and stealthily" thrown the truth (about Christ's sacrifice) on the ground , but he did it ! ( Daniel 8:10-12 ).

to be continued,

in Christ,
rus virgil.



Galatians 4:17
They zealously seek YOU, not in a fine way, but they want to shut YOU off [from me], that YOU may zealously seek them.

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ablebodiedman Wrote:
Galatians 4:17
They zealously seek YOU, not in a fine way, but they want to shut YOU off [from me], that YOU may zealously seek them.

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Indeed, Bro Abe.
the verse you quoted shows a characteristic of a "beast"
the wolves in sheep-clothes are trying take the sheep from their Saviour with the purpose to follow themselves
the same course is followed also by the beast-like organisation
Habakkuk 2
3. For the vision is yet for an appointed time and it hastens to the end [fulfillment]; it will not deceive or disappoint. Though it tarry, wait [earnestly] for it, because it will surely come; it will not be behindhand on its appointed day.

4. Look at the proud; his soul is not straight or right within him, but the [rigidly] just and the [uncompromisingly] righteous man shall [a]live by his faith and in his faithfulness.

5. Moreover, wine and [b]wealth are treacherous;
the proud man [the Chaldean invader] is restless and cannot stay at home. His appetite is large like that of Sheol and [his greed] is like death and cannot be satisfied;
he gathers to himself all nations and collects all people as if he owned them.
A.B.

Did this vision dissapointed us - by not coming at its "appointed time" ?

We lived it ! And felt it on our skin !

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Bible chronology revealed

Reading further on Song of Moses we find that God took care for his people , but they acted like that
Deut 32
16. They provoked Him to jealousy with strange gods,
with abominations they provoked Him to anger.


And God answered this way:
19. And the Lord saw it and He spurned and rejected them, out of indignation with His sons and His daughters.

20. And He said, I will hide My face from them, I will see what their end will be; for they are a perverse generation, children in whom is no faithfulness.

21. They have moved Me to jealousy with what is not God; they have angered Me with their idols. So I will move them to jealousy with those who are not a people; I will anger them with a foolish nation.

We can see/discern here that God became angered or wrathful , so, the original peaceful relation between He and his people turned into "anger"
So. at a certain point/time , a new period started , a "Day of God's anger against his own people" .

What does happen when God hides His Face from them ?
Psalm 67
1. May God be gracious to us and bless us
and make his face shine upon us,

Psalm 119
135. Make your face shine upon your servant
and teach me your decrees.

We see, the hidden Face of God means darkness, no new understanding from Bible, no blessing ...

Now , regarding "chronology" , when does that happen ?

We find a prophecy in Genesis 41 , Joseph does interpret a dream of Pharaoh
16. "I cannot do it," Joseph replied to Pharaoh, "but God will give Pharaoh the answer he desires."
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29. Seven years of great abundance are coming throughout the land of Egypt,
30. but seven years of famine will follow them. Then all the abundance in Egypt will be forgotten, and the famine will ravage the land.
31. The abundance in the land will not be remembered, because the famine that follows it will be so severe.

Being "all scripture" written for us, upon whom the ends of the ages are come, we see that there were
"seven years of great abundance" ...followed by "seven years of famine "
seven years/times and other seven years/times

so, to "latter days" are composed by "seven times of abundance + seven times of famine"

well, but how long are the first "seven times" ?
regarding the following "seven times" (of famine) , they should be equal with the first ones

Now , the answer is given by Jehovah , who is fulfiling His Own word , and Who set the times "within His own authority".

As in the previous post we have seen , both Russell and Rutherford have correctly appreciated the Jesus sacrifice , but those who came after Rutherford death - in 1942 - have worked against the "sacrifice" , and that identify them as "oposers of truth"
Look ! a new period , when the oposers of truth came/arose to "govern" over God's people , and fighting against the saints !

We see : from 1872 till 1942 there were 70 years , when God gave food to his own
and in 1942 a new period of "seven times" have begun" (surely, of famine )
the second "seven times" have to be equal with the first ones , so they last untill 2012.


these second "seven times" are, in fact , the "seven times of gentiles"
these gentiles forms "the nation" through which God does anger his people
the Song of Moses , verse 21 says
"....So I will move them to jealousy with those who are not a people; I will anger them with a foolish nation.

we see that God does speak "now a way, then, another way"
"the gentiles" are shown here as " those who are not a people" and "a foolish nation"

regarding these "seven times" when God shows His anger against "Ieshurun" or "Israel" , they were advertised also by other prophets
Joel 2
1. Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain; let all the inhabitants of the land tremble:
for the day of Jehovah cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

2. a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, as the dawn spread upon the mountains; a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after them, even to the years of many generations.

Ezekiel 34
12. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will deliver them out of all places whither they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

We see clear that this day is God's day of anger against His own people , when He delivered them unto the hands of the "nations"
It is not the Day of judgement (the end time) !

God's day against all nations does follow after the "seven times" , and for His people of saints this is a day of "acceptable time" and "day of salvation" , as written :
Isaiah 49
8. Thus saith Jehovah, In an acceptable time have I answered thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee; and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to raise up the land, to make them inherit the desolate heritages.

The Song of Moses does tell us that at the end (when God's anger will end ), God will proceede to judgement
Deut 32
36. For Jehovah will judge his people, And repent himself for his servants; When he seeth that their power is gone, And there is none remaining, shut up or left at large.
40. For I lift up my hand to heaven, And say, As I live for ever,
41. If I whet my glittering sword, And my hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine adversaries, And will recompense them that hate me.
43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: For he will avenge the blood of his servants, And will render vengeance to his adversaries, And will make expiation for his land, for his people.

What is to be expected at the end of the "seven times of gentiles" ?

Jehovah's judgement !

(I'm so sorry that I am not able to speak clearer in english...)

to be continued

in Christ,
rus virgil

02-20-2010 06:17 PM
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Song of Moses

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Jehovah God is a God of order .

That means , He does everything in a certain order , that is , each of His work at His appointed time , as it is written
Ecclesiastes 3
1. For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven:
2. a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

Jehovah has decided the Song of Moses as a special prophecy for the sons of Jacob
Deuteronomy 31
19. Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach thou it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths,
that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.
21. And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are come upon them,
that this song shall testify before them as a witness;
for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed:
for I know their imagination which they frame this day, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.

In Revelation we find an important characteristic of those (saints) who follow the Lamb and them that come off victorious from the beast...
Revelation 15
3. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God,
and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, O Lord God, the Almighty; righteous and true are thy ways, thou King of the ages.

Indeed , the Song of Moses is a special prophecy for the Israel of God
This Song does prove to be a "spinal column" of all prophecies regarding "God's people in the latter days"
It help us to understand the place for the rest of prophecies , and also their time (of fulfiling )

The Song of Moses states very clear , that firstly, after being brought out of Egypt , there is a time when God cares on them, and feed them - that is a time of prosperity !
-- then, because of their disobedience , it follow a period when God does manifest His anger toward them and hids His Face from them - that is a time of famine !
-- and at last , God intervenne with His Judgement , which is a time of favour for His repented sons , and vengeance against His enemies - the opressors of His people !

These are three periods/seasons , which follow one after another in God's established order !
They order cannot be interchanged by merely men through their own/private interpretation of prophecies !

All these three periods/seasons does compose "the latter days" , except the fact that "the judgement" is a special time named "the end" , and toward the end of the Day of Judgement , when the Temple is cleaned and the Kingdom (of the earth) is given to the people of Saints of Most High , The Christ is come !

The fact that this succession of events are to be fulfilled "within" the latter days and within of God's people is a statement of Jehovah sent to Daniel (chapt.10 )
14. Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall
thy people
in the latter days;
for the vision is yet for many days:

Well , someone may say : "the verse 14 speaks about an action described at verse 1, Dan 10.
let listen the verse 1
1. In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar;
and the thing was true, even a great warfare:
and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.

Well, what "warfare" was that vision about ?

There was only one warfare prophetised for the latter days :
that one during the day of God's anger against His own people !

this war was also prophetised by Habakkuk 1 and 2, read it !

Here we have established a truth :
-- only once there were seven times of prosperity during the latter days
then,
-- only once there were "seven times of gentiles" , which caused famine in the country (during the latter days),
and at last,
-- only once there is the "day of Judgement" ( which ends the "latter days" period) , and during it , the Kingdom is to be established on earth , being given to the "people of saints" / Daniel 7: 22,27.

to be continued ,

in Christ,
rus virgil

02-21-2010 12:59 PM
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