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Did "the Lamb" eat lamb on Passover?

I recently heard one of our brothers say that Jesus had to slaughter a lamb for the Passover meal on Nisan 14. Is that what happened?

No, Passover is actually a 7-day festival, and lamb was only eaten on the 2nd day (Nisan 15). Let me explain why:

The lamb was slaughtered, bled, and butchered on the afternoon of Nisan 14, to be eaten that evening, Nisan 15 (see Exodus 12:2, 3, 5-8).

Thus, Nisan 14 became the first day of the Passover celebration (which started the evening before the lamb was slaughtered), and it was called "Preparation," because that was the day that the lamb was slaughtered and prepared (see Matthew 27:62, 63 and John 19:14).

So, the lamb was slaughtered "between the evenings." That is, between the evening that started Nisan 14 and the evening that started Nisan 15, which is the day they call "Passover" (see Leviticus 23:5).

But, didn't Jesus eat "the Passover" on Nisan 14? Yes he did, for he ate the traditional Passover meal of unleavened bread and wine, along with a "sop" of olive oil, salt, and herbs. However, the lamb wasn't prepared until the next afternoon (see John 18:28). So Jesus (the "Lamb of God") was killed at the time that the Passover lambs were being slaughtered.

This isn't difficult stuff, just look up the scriptures.


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Thank you for posting!:ok:

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Now THAT is significant!

I've never noticed that connection before, thanks for sharing! :love:


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Thanks Jim. Excellent! It really rounds out the fullness of prophetic patterns. We have sooooo very much more to learn. I can't wait till Jesus returns in true fulfillment. So much more will we learn that we didn't see under the WT cloak! I often read Revelation and wonder how much we think we know but only have a very foggy, distant view!


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So true SW,,

I find new things all the time..

try this 360 days times the four hundred years equals 144,000

400 years in eygpt
400years from noah to abraham.
I would guess there are more..

so many cool thing

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the passover is the lamb - look again.

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Justin you are right. Why people have missed the mark on this is beyond me, but one thing is for sure...Jesus was most likely a Vegan.

Why would the Son of God create animals only to eat them?
Also the Traditions of men are still entrenched in Jewish celebrations today. One of such traditions is the sacrifice of the Red Heffer check out the http://www.templeinstitute.org/ scary stuff!

Answer me this....have you ever seen in any of the publications from Jehovah's Witnesses show them eating meat in the Paradise???

Be the Change NOW! See why the traditions of the Passover are fraught with misleading teachings of man.

Peas and Carrots brothers and sisters..

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Justin you are right. Why people have missed the mark on this is beyond me, but one thing is for sure...Jesus was most likely a Vegan.

Why would the Son of God create animals only to eat them?
Also the Traditions of men are still entrenched in Jewish celebrations today. One of such traditions is the sacrifice of the Red Heffer check out the http://www.templeinstitute.org/ scary stuff!

Answer me this....have you ever seen in any of the publications from Jehovah's Witnesses show them eating meat in the Paradise???

Be the Change NOW! See why the traditions of the Passover are fraught with misleading teachings of man.

Peas and Carrots brothers and sisters..

Peace

Not sure why Justin's statement was so significant. "Look again" at what? To whether Jesus ever ate lamb? True, there was nothing to indicate that Jesus was anything but the Lamb on that occasion ... and would not have partaken of lamb since he had been sacrificed (on that occasion).

However, there's nothing to suggest that Jesus was "most likely a Vegan." He did eat fish. And nothing is said about him rejecting lamb at other passovers, is there? :confused:

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I recently heard one of our brothers say that Jesus had to slaughter a lamb for the Passover meal on Nisan 14. Is that what happened?

No, Passover is actually a 7-day festival, and lamb was only eaten on the 2nd day (Nisan 15). Let me explain why:

The lamb was slaughtered, bled, and butchered on the afternoon of Nisan 14, to be eaten that evening, Nisan 15 (see Exodus 12:2, 3, 5-8).

Thus, Nisan 14 became the first day of the Passover celebration (which started the evening before the lamb was slaughtered), and it was called "Preparation," because that was the day that the lamb was slaughtered and prepared (see Matthew 27:62, 63 and John 19:14).

So, the lamb was slaughtered "between the evenings." That is, between the evening that started Nisan 14 and the evening that started Nisan 15, which is the day they call "Passover" (see Leviticus 23:5).

But, didn't Jesus eat "the Passover" on Nisan 14? Yes he did, for he ate the traditional Passover meal of unleavened bread and wine, along with a "sop" of olive oil, salt, and herbs. However, the lamb wasn't prepared until the next afternoon (see John 18:28). So Jesus (the "Lamb of God") was killed at the time that the Passover lambs were being slaughtered.

This isn't difficult stuff, just look up the scriptures.


Not that this is difficult, but it can be confusing. Here are a couple of snippets from Alfred Edersheim's book "The Temple: Its Ministry and Services" -- Chapter 11 "The Passover"

Alfred Edersheim -- Passover link

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The name of the Passover, in Hebrew Pesach, and in Aramean and Greek Pascha, is derived from a root which means to 'step over,' or to 'overleap,' and thus points back to the historical origin of the festival (Exo 12). But the circumstances in which the people were placed necessarily rendered its first celebration, in some particulars, different from its later observance, which, so far as possible, was brought into harmony with the general Temple practice. Accordingly, Jewish authorities rightly distinguish between 'the Egyptian' and the 'Permanent Passover.' On its first institution it was ordained that the head of every house should, on the 10th of Nisan, select either a lamb or a kid of the goats, of the first year, and without blemish. Later Jewish ordinances, dating after the return from Babylon, limit it to a lamb; and it is explained that the four days previous to the slaying of the lamb referred to the four generations that had passed after the children of Israel went down into Egypt. The lamb was to be killed on the eve of the 14th, or rather, as the phrase, is, 'between the two evenings' (Exo 12:6; Lev 23:5; Num 9:3,5). According to the Samaritans, the Karaite Jews, and many modern interpreters, this means between actual sunset and complete darkness (or, say, between six and seven p.m.); but from the contemporary testimony of Josephus (Jew. Wars, vi. 9, 3), and from Talmudical authorities, there cannot be a doubt that, at the time of our Lord, it was regarded as the interval between the sun's commencing to decline and his actual disappearance. This allows a sufficient period for the numerous lambs which had to be killed, and agrees with the traditional account that on the eve of the Passover the daily evening sacrifice was offered an hour, or, if it fell on a Friday, two hours, before the usual time.


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We have already explained that according to the Rabbis (Chag. ii, 1; vi. 2), three things were implied in the festive command to 'appear before the Lord'—'Presence,' the 'Chagigah,' and 'Joyousness.' As specially applied to the Passover, the first of these terms meant, that every one was to come up to Jerusalem and to offer a burnt-offering, if possible on the first, or else on one of the other six days of the feast. This burnt-offering was to be taken only from 'Cholin' (or profane substance), that is, from such as did not otherwise belong to the Lord, either as tithes, firstlings, or things devoted, etc. The Chagigah, which was strictly a peace-offering, might be twofold. This first Chagigah was offered on the 14th of Nisan, the day of the Paschal sacrifice, and formed afterwards part of the Paschal Supper. The second Chagigah was offered on the 15th of Nisan, or the first day of the feast of unleavened bread. It is this second Chagigah which the Jews were afraid they might be unable to eat, if they contracted defilement in the judgment-hall of Pilate (John 18:28). In reference to the first Chagigah, the Mishnah lays down the rule, that it was only to be offered if the Paschal day fell on a week-day, not on a Sabbath, and if the Paschal lamb alone would not have been sufficient to give a satisfying supper to the company which gathered around it (Pes. vi. 4). As in the case of all other peace-offerings, part of this Chagigah might be kept, though not for longer than one night and two days from its sacrifice. Being a voluntary offering, it was lawful to bring it from sacred things (such as tithes of the flock). But the Chagigah for the 15th of Nisan was obligatory, and had therefore to be brought from 'Cholin.' The third duty incumbent on those who appeared at the feast was 'joyousness.' This expression, as we have seen, simply referred to the fact that, according to their means, all Israel were, during the course of this festival, with joyous heart to offer peace-offerings, which might be chosen from sacred things (Deut 27:7). Thus the sacrifices which every Israelite was to offer at the Passover were, besides his share in the Paschal lamb, a burnt-offering, the Chagigah (one or two), and offerings of joyousness— as God had blessed each household. As stated in a previous chapter, all the twenty-four courses, into which the priests were arranged, ministered in the temple on this, as on the other great festivals, and they distributed among themselves alike what fell to them of the festive sacrifices and the shewbread. But the course which, in its proper order, was on duty for the week, alone offered all votive, and voluntary, and the public sacrifices for the whole congregation, such as those of the morning and the evening (Succah v. 7).


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Stinger Wrote:
Justin you are right. Why people have missed the mark on this is beyond me, but one thing is for sure...Jesus was most likely a Vegan.

Why would the Son of God create animals only to eat them?
Also the Traditions of men are still entrenched in Jewish celebrations today. One of such traditions is the sacrifice of the Red Heffer check out the http://www.templeinstitute.org/ scary stuff!

Answer me this....have you ever seen in any of the publications from Jehovah's Witnesses show them eating meat in the Paradise???

Be the Change NOW! See why the traditions of the Passover are fraught with misleading teachings of man.

Peas and Carrots brothers and sisters..

Peace

Not sure why Justin's statement was so significant. "Look again" at what? To whether Jesus ever ate lamb? True, there was nothing to indicate that Jesus was anything but the Lamb on that occasion ... and would not have partaken of lamb since he had been sacrificed (on that occasion).

However, there's nothing to suggest that Jesus was "most likely a Vegan." He did eat fish. And nothing is said about him rejecting lamb at other passovers, is there? :confused:

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Where in Scripture does it specifically say that "FLESH OF AN ANIMAL" passed Jesus lips?
Remember bothers and sisters in Christ, that Jesus was instituting a new way to remember the passover.....And they did not serve Lamb.
Moses was not the end of the law.

Also be very clear on the fact that YHWH allowed the eating of meat, but he did not command or promote it. The TORAH is clear on this...not the NWT or most Christian renditions of the (Y) of the Torah.

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Stinger Wrote:
Where in Scripture does it specifically say that "FLESH OF AN ANIMAL" passed Jesus lips?

And where in Scripture does it specifically say that "FLESH OF AN ANIMAL" didn't passed Jesus lips? :dontknow:


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Oh well, another subject is hijacked by those who have a doctrine to teach, and will use any subject to teach it. Anything on the trinity here Wayne?


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There seems to be some confusion. I wasn't endorsing veganism. The Kingdom of Heaven is neither either and drinking and all things are lawful. Besides Jesus fed the crowd with fish not with seitan.

Anyhow the passover is the lamb -

At Duet 16 they are told to "sacrifice the passover". It didn't mean sacrifice a festival. To "eat the passover" is not to eat the festival but the lamb.

Thus Paul would write, "Christ our Passover, has been sacrificed" (1 Cor 5:7)

So look at Luke 22:7-13. When he speaks of "preparing the passover", is he talking about preparing vegetables or preparing a lamb? When he talks about "eating this passover", is he talking about eating vegetables or eating a lamb?

Any how while it may be interesting in comparison is of little benefit to be overly concerned with the performance of jewish festivals which were simply a mere shadow of what he who was to come.

To express it again - Jesus is our passover!

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What the heck's that?

Of course, Jesus IS our Passover - it's the blood of the Lamb of God that saves us. :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

But Jim started this thread to address one particular point, not denying in the slightest that Jesus is our Passover, and not to define what Jesus may or may not have eaten in his lifetime.

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Yes, Jesus is our Passover... LAMB. That's the point I was making in my first post. It was he who was sacrificed along with the lambs (as the scriptures above show). However, the word "Passover" refers to the angel who "passed over" Israel in Egypt. It wasn't the lamb that passed over, but the angel. And what was celebrated in Israel for seven days, was this saving of Israel by the blood of the lamb.


The point of this post (for those who missed it), is that the Passover lamb was sacrificed on the 2nd day, not the 1st, as most think. No veganism or anything else in the topic.


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