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Where in Scripture does it specifically say that "FLESH OF AN ANIMAL" passed Jesus lips?
Remember bothers and sisters in Christ, that Jesus was instituting a new way to remember the passover.....And they did not serve Lamb.
Moses was not the end of the law.

Also be very clear on the fact that YHWH allowed the eating of meat, but he did not command or promote it. The TORAH is clear on this...not the NWT or most Christian renditions of the (Y) of the Torah.


Number 1: Scripture specifically states that Jesus ate FISH (Luke 24:42-43), which is an ANIMAL...why do you keep ignoring that? Simply because it kills your doctrine? Vegans and vegetarians DO NOT EAT FISH. Either speak bible doctrine, or GO AWAY!

Number 2: Nothing in scripture states that lamb wasn't served at any particular passover. Christ did passover (Luke 2:41-42, John 2:13, ), and passover totally included the eating of lamb (Exodus 12:3-11 ).
Again, why do you keep ignoring that? Simply because it kills your doctrine? Either speak bible, or GO AWAY.

(As our dear brother stated, Jesus didn't happen to eat lamb on that particular passover because HE was the LAMB to be killed for that passover (can't eat yourself!) Because he was killed, the subsequent passovers didn't need to include lamb anymore)


Number 3: God didn't command the eating of meat, he GIFTED us with it! (Genesis 9:3). This isn't a simple "allowance", it is a GIFT! You don't GIVE something that you disapprove of! Your gift will promote the idea! Either speak bible, or GO AWAY!

Stop trying to ignore scripture to spout your doctrine!

Go ahead, be a vegan, there's nothing wrong with it...however, there is something wrong will telling us meat-eating is wrong when it isn't!

You seriously can't see how you're ignoring scripture in favor of your ideas????!!! :(


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RE: Did "the Lamb" eat lamb on Passover?

Melancholymuse Wrote:

Stinger Wrote:
Where in Scripture does it specifically say that "FLESH OF AN ANIMAL" passed Jesus lips?
Remember bothers and sisters in Christ, that Jesus was instituting a new way to remember the passover.....And they did not serve Lamb.
Moses was not the end of the law.

Also be very clear on the fact that YHWH allowed the eating of meat, but he did not command or promote it. The TORAH is clear on this...not the NWT or most Christian renditions of the (Y) of the Torah.


Number 1: Scripture specifically states that Jesus ate FISH (Luke 24:42-43), which is an ANIMAL...why do you keep ignoring that? Simply because it kills your doctrine? Vegans and vegetarians DO NOT EAT FISH. Either speak bible doctrine, or GO AWAY!

Number 2: Nothing in scripture states that lamb wasn't served at any particular passover. Christ did passover (Luke 2:41-42, John 2:13, ), and passover totally included the eating of lamb (Exodus 12:3-11 ).
Again, why do you keep ignoring that? Simply because it kills your doctrine? Either speak bible, or GO AWAY.

(As our dear brother stated, Jesus didn't happen to eat lamb on that particular passover because HE was the LAMB to be killed for that passover (can't eat yourself!) Because he was killed, the subsequent passovers didn't need to include lamb anymore)


Number 3: God didn't command the eating of meat, he GIFTED us with it! (Genesis 9:3). This isn't a simple "allowance", it is a GIFT! You don't GIVE something that you disapprove of! Your gift will promote the idea! Either speak bible, or GO AWAY!

Stop trying to ignore scripture to spout your doctrine!

Go ahead, be a vegan, there's nothing wrong with it...however, there is something wrong will telling us meat-eating is wrong when it isn't!

You seriously can't see how you're ignoring scripture in favor of your ideas????!!! :(


Exod. 32: 9-10

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RE: Did "the Lamb" eat lamb on Passover?

Stinger Wrote:

Melancholymuse Wrote:

Stinger Wrote:
Where in Scripture does it specifically say that "FLESH OF AN ANIMAL" passed Jesus lips?
Remember bothers and sisters in Christ, that Jesus was instituting a new way to remember the passover.....And they did not serve Lamb.
Moses was not the end of the law.

Also be very clear on the fact that YHWH allowed the eating of meat, but he did not command or promote it. The TORAH is clear on this...not the NWT or most Christian renditions of the (Y) of the Torah.


Number 1: Scripture specifically states that Jesus ate FISH (Luke 24:42-43), which is an ANIMAL...why do you keep ignoring that? Simply because it kills your doctrine? Vegans and vegetarians DO NOT EAT FISH. Either speak bible doctrine, or GO AWAY!

Number 2: Nothing in scripture states that lamb wasn't served at any particular passover. Christ did passover (Luke 2:41-42, John 2:13, ), and passover totally included the eating of lamb (Exodus 12:3-11 ).
Again, why do you keep ignoring that? Simply because it kills your doctrine? Either speak bible, or GO AWAY.

(As our dear brother stated, Jesus didn't happen to eat lamb on that particular passover because HE was the LAMB to be killed for that passover (can't eat yourself!) Because he was killed, the subsequent passovers didn't need to include lamb anymore)


Number 3: God didn't command the eating of meat, he GIFTED us with it! (Genesis 9:3). This isn't a simple "allowance", it is a GIFT! You don't GIVE something that you disapprove of! Your gift will promote the idea! Either speak bible, or GO AWAY!

Stop trying to ignore scripture to spout your doctrine!

Go ahead, be a vegan, there's nothing wrong with it...however, there is something wrong will telling us meat-eating is wrong when it isn't!

You seriously can't see how you're ignoring scripture in favor of your ideas????!!! :(


Exod. 32: 9-10


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I went away for awhile....but now I have returned.
When you get off that boat sailing down the River of Denial we will talk more.
Melancholymuse ... you have not changed. Still I love you and reach out to you....but your responses to my statements have left me wondering...who really is the Faithful and Discreet slave?

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Well, that was a useful post. Who really is the Faithful and Discreet slave? And you are wondering about Tami? :funnyface::insane: Do I smell the extrusion of a subterranean gaseous escapement?


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Maybe he ate hotdogs? :dontknow:


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Stinger Wrote:
I went away for awhile....but now I have returned.
When you get off that boat sailing down the River of Denial we will talk more.
Melancholymuse ... you have not changed. Still I love you and reach out to you....but your responses to my statements have left me wondering...who really is the Faithful and Discreet slave?


All I want is for you to answer me this:
How can you claim Jesus was a vegetarian when he ate fish? And how do you explain that God gifted us with meat if he is opposed to meat-eating? Seriously, I don't understand how you come to your conclusions in light of those scriptures I quoted.

I have backed my belief with scripture, now its your turn.

As for the Faithful and Discreet Slave thing....Um....I'm not sure what you're getting at -- what does that have to do with the topic? :confused:


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Exod. 32: 9-10


Um... is this your way of saying that I've incurred the wrath of God?


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AND at evening the Master cometh into the house, and there are gathered with him the Twelve and their fellows; Peter and Jacob and Thomas and John and Simon and Matthew and Andrew and Nathanael and James and Thaddeus and Jude and Philip and their companions ( and there was also Judas Iscariote, who by men was numbered with the twelve, till the time when he should be manifested).
2. And they were all clad in garments of white linen, pure and clear, for linen is the righteousness of the saints; and each had the colour of his tribe. But the Master was clad in his pure white robe, over all, without seam or spot.
3. And there arose contention among them as to which of them should be esteemed the greatest, wherefore he said unto them, He that is greatest among you let him be as he that doth serve.
4. And Iesus said, With desire have I desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. and to institute the Memorial of my Oblation for the service and salvation of all. For behold the hour cometh when the Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of sinners.
5. And one of the twelve said unto him, Lord, is it I ? And he answered, He to whom I give the sop the same is he.
6. And Iscariot said unto him, Master, behold the unleaven bread, the mingled wine and the oil and the herbs, but where is the lamb that Moses commanded? (for Judas had bought the lamb, but Iesus had forbidden that it should be killed).
7. And John spake in the Spirit, saying, Behold the Lamb of God, the good Shepherd which giveth his life for the sheep. And Judas was troubled at these words, for he knew that he should betray him. But again Judas said, Master, is it not written in the law that a lamb must be slain for the passover within the gates?
8. And Iesus answered, If I am lifted up on the cross then indeed shall the lamb be slain; but woe unto him by whom it is delivered into the hands of the slayers; it were better of him had he not been born.
9. Verily I say unto you, for this end have I come into the world, that I may put away all blood offerings and the eating of the flesh of the beasts and the birds that are slain by men.
10. In the beginning, God gave to all, the fruits of the trees, and the seeds, and the herbs, for food; but those who loved themselves more than God, or their fellows, corrupted their ways, and brought diseases into their bodies, and filled the earth with lust and violence.
11. Not by shedding innocent blood, therefore, but by living a righteous life, shall ye find the peace of God. Ye call me the Christ of God and ye say well, for I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.
12. Walk ye in the Way, and ye shall find God. Seek ye the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free. Live in the Life, and ye shall see no death. All things are alive in God, and the Spirit of God filleth all things.
13. Keep ye the commandments. Love thy God with all thy heart, and love thy neighbour as thyself. On these hang all the law and the prophets. And the sum of the law is this—Do not ye unto others as ye would not that others should do unto you. Do ye unto others, as ye would that others should do unto you.
14. Blessed are they who keep this law, for God is manifested in all creatures. All creatures live in God, and God is hid in them.
15. After these things, Iesus dipped the sop and gave it to Judas Iscariot, saying, What thou doest, do quickly. He then, having received the sop, went out immediately, and it was light.
16. And when Judas Iscariot had gone out, Iesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified among his twelve, and God is glorified in him. And verily I say unto you, they who receive you receive me, and they who receive me receive the Father-Mother Who sent me, and ye who have been faithful unto the truth shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
17. And one said unto him, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore the kingdom unto Israel? And Iesus said, My kingdom is not of this world, neither are all Israel which are called Israel.
18. They in every nation who defile not themselves with cruelty, who do righteousness, love mercy, and reverence all the works of God, who give succour to all that are weak and oppressed—the same are the Israel of God.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/ght_sectio...tm#Lection 75

See I believe that the Bible is missing some of the most important teachings of Jesus. This is a sample of the Gospel of the Holy Twelve or one of the Gospels that got nixed by ones who liked the oral teachings of men.
Most will believe and follow blindly that the Bible that is in their hands is the truest and most accurate translation, but in fact if it was true then there would be no need for Jeremiah and other prophets to WARN US OF THE CROOKED STYLUS of the Scribes.

Argue all you want...but you when you know the truth...it will truly set you free.....

Stinger....

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Well all I can say is for those who love to mount the inspired word with their own three dollar words, go for it!

Oh and remember that Joseph Smith was given the perfect word by te angel Moroni on solid gold plates which were used for printing the first Book of Mormon, and could only be read when using Joseph's 3-D glasses ... so don't give me any of that "lost books" of the apostles deal!

I have the Apostolic Succession ending with Joseph Smith!!! (incidentally, there are a succession of Joseph Smiths in case you were wondering) And, of course if you've been listening too closely to Brigham Young folllowers versus the Joseph Smith followers, you might end up in the wrong camp .... except a few more wives might please you. Anyone wanna give up eating meat for a few more wives???

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smoldering wick Wrote:
Well all I can say is for those who love to mount the inspired word with their own three dollar words, go for it!

Oh and remember that Joseph Smith was given the perfect word by te angel Moroni on solid gold plates which were used for printing the first Book of Mormon, and could only be read when using Joseph's 3-D glasses ... so don't give me any of that "lost books" of the apostles deal!

I have the Apostolic Succession ending with Joseph Smith!!! (incidentally, there are a succession of Joseph Smiths in case you were wondering) And, of course if you've been listening too closely to Brigham Young folllowers versus the Joseph Smith followers, you might end up in the wrong camp .... except a few more wives might please you. Anyone wanna give up eating meat for a few more wives???

:funnyface:


SIr Isaac Newton.... Was a you guessed it!

This distinguished philosopher and mathematician is said to have abstained rigorously, at times, from all but purely vegetable food, and from all drinks but water; and it is also stated that some of his important labors were performed at these seasons of strict temperance. While writing his treatise on Optics, it is said he confined himself entirely to bread, with a little sack and water; and I have no doubt that his remarkable equanimity of temper, and that government of his animal appetites, throught, for which he was so distinguished to the last hour of his life, were owing, in no small degree, to his habits of rigid temperance

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Oh dear.

Now I see what's going on. :(

Stinger, you are believing in scripture that contradicts other scripture. They can't BOTH be right when there's contradictions involved. :fear:

Tread carefully, dear, Satan is tightening his coils around you, and you are too sleepy to notice. If your "lost books" contradict the "known books", you know there is a problem. I will pray for you, but I won't include extra-canonical books in our conversations.

Satan disguises himself as an angel of light -- please beware of where you are headed with this! :cry:


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Stinger,

You are a good guy in my book! My daughter is a vegetarian and though it can be difficult accommodating her dining requirements (what?! you can't have red cupcake icing?! why?!) we are doing what we can to support her in this - which means that often I'm going without meat myself.

So maybe it is a higher standard of living. If you have a testimony from God to abstain from meat eating then do so. Walk in faith and may God bless you. I think you error in trying to seek out false Holy books like the "Gospel of the Twelve" to support this practice. Perhaps the bigger error would be to put your fellow brother or sister under law because when it comes to food "all things are clean to clean people".

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Apparently thou mr Stinger you are trying to become a new apostle or something.
Because clearly this issue was addressed in the past.
Why are you trying to become the conscience for others?
What is your motive? How is being a vegan/vegitarian helping to bring anyone closer to CHRIST?

Nothing wrong with you making your own choice. But to try to pursuade others in my opinion can cuase stumbling for no reason.
Clearly we can benifit from that diet. So if you think it is a good thing why not just be positive about the benifits. no need to make new religous like laws.


1 Corinthians 10:24-26 (New American Standard Bible)

24Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor.

25(B)Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience' sake;

26©FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD'S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS.


Romans 14:2-4 (New American Standard Bible)

2(A)One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is (B)weak eats vegetables only.

3The one who eats is not to ©regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to
(D)judge the one who eats, for God has (E)accepted him.

4(F)Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

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First of all, I want to go on record as saying that I do not condemn anyone for being vegan / vegetarian. It's not the choice of diet I oppose, it's the choice of doctrine behind the diet that I oppose. That being said:

WOW! THIS THREAD WASN'T HIJACKED -- IT WAS KIDNAPPED AND HELD FOR RANSOM! :shocked:

Back to the original purpose of this thread::read:

The Lamb.:sheepy:

What's everyone's take on this?:
The wine symbolizes Christ's blood, and the bread symbolizes his body; and during the Passover the lamb symbolized Christ. (with me so far?)

On "Resurrection Celebration Day" (a.k.a. Easter), hubby, the kids and I enjoy a roasted leg of lamb, along with the bread and wine (non-alcoholic, of course), as a commemoration of Christ and his sacrifice. We make a family meal out of the occasion.

Does anyone else do anything with lamb? (Since this thread, from the beginning, is NOT a vegetarian thread, lets keep the vegetarianism out of this, thank you)


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digital_punk Wrote:
Maybe he ate hotdogs? :dontknow:


couldn't have dp. Dogs were unclean to the Jews.


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