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Who Believes in Evolution?

Just as a general enquiry I was wondering was I the only person on the board who believes in full evolution? That is all life descending from a single original ancestor including humans. I'm not asking in order to debate on it in this thread but simply to see if I am the only one.

Thanks in advance to anyone who comments to let me know their stand.

12-20-2010 09:58 AM
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RE: Who Believes in Evolution?

I believe that all life has a single common ancestor, and that is God.


So, I believe in Evolution......of sorts! :friends:


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RE: Who Believes in Evolution?

hi brian :hibye: the reason i don't believe as you do on this particular matter is the fact that, in order for me to believe in 'full evolution,' i feel i would have to disregard the bible's entire account of the preparation of the earth as recorded in genesis chapter one.

at the same time, it is my fervent hope and prayer that my spirituality is evolving all the time. ;)


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12-20-2010 10:46 AM
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RE: Who Believes in Evolution?

Does that mean you don't believe in biological evolution from a single ancestor Beau?

12-20-2010 12:27 PM
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RE: Who Believes in Evolution?

I believe in what has been termed Progressive Creationism, the view that God created new forms of life gradually, over a period of hundreds of millions of years. I will accept mainstream geological and cosmological estimates for the age of the Earth, but I think that the new "kinds" of plants and animals that have appeared over the planet's history are instances of God directly intervening to create those new types. So I reject macroevolution and abiogenesis because I don't believe them to be biologically possible and I don't think it's supported by the fossil record. I also reject the concept of universal descent from a last universal ancestor.


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isomam Wrote:

hi brian :hibye: the reason i don't believe as you do on this particular matter is the fact that, in order for me to believe in 'full evolution,' i feel i would have to disregard the bible's entire account of the preparation of the earth as recorded in genesis chapter one.

at the same time, it is my fervent hope and prayer that my spirituality is evolving all the time. ;)


Thanks for that comment Iso. Its interesting to me to see what the reasons are for people on this topic. The reason you give is quite common. I wont try to convince you otherwise on this thread, but it does show your love for Gods word and I certainly respect that.

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I believe in what has been termed Progressive Creationism, the view that God created new forms of life gradually, over a period of hundreds of millions of years. I will accept mainstream geological and cosmological estimates for the age of the Earth, but I think that the new "kinds" of plants and animals that have appeared over the planet's history are instances of God directly intervening to create those new types. So I reject macroevolution and abiogenesis because I don't believe them to be biologically possible and I don't think it's supported by the fossil record. I also reject the concept of universal descent from a last universal ancestor.


Thanks Mavos for your comments. Your reasons for not believing in classic evolution is quite rare, as reasons go in this area. Just as an add-on enquiry, do you believe in a global flood as opposed to a localised one, and if so do you go with progressive creation of all the species after the flood, or the idea that all the species we have today came from representative kinds kept on the ark?

12-20-2010 03:37 PM
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Mavos Wrote:
I believe in what has been termed Progressive Creationism, the view that God created new forms of life gradually, over a period of hundreds of millions of years. I will accept mainstream geological and cosmological estimates for the age of the Earth, but I think that the new "kinds" of plants and animals that have appeared over the planet's history are instances of God directly intervening to create those new types. So I reject macroevolution and abiogenesis because I don't believe them to be biologically possible and I don't think it's supported by the fossil record. I also reject the concept of universal descent from a last universal ancestor.


Thanks Mavos for your comments. Your reasons for not believing in classic evolution is quite rare, as reasons go in this area. Just as an add-on enquiry, do you believe in a global flood as opposed to a localised one, and if so do you go with progressive creation of all the species after the flood, or the idea that all the species we have today came from representative kinds kept on the ark?


No I believe in a local flood that had universal effects. What I mean is, that humanity was pretty much located in one geographical area. The local flood wiped them all out. The animals that Noah saved were local Mesopotamian flood plain animals. So it was "global" in the sense that all humanity but noah was wiped out. But not "global" in terms of geography. The word for "earth" can be "land" and "mountains" can be "hills".


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I guess I believe in some ideas of evolution.. but IMO there isn't any evidence of species going from one to another.. like a elephant going to a rhino.. or a monkey to a man..I can't see how it would happen. They say it happened with favorable mutations.. but mutations arent favorable, that's the problem..

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RE: Who Believes in Evolution?

I totally agree with you on the mutations thing; no one has ever discovered a mutation that actually benefited the organism.

On top of that, science has shown solid evidence that if a genetic mutation is allowed to replicate it either kills the organism or fixes itself back to a normal state -- evolution is essentially impossible.


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I guess I believe in some ideas of evolution.. but IMO there isn't any evidence of species going from one to another.. like a elephant going to a rhino.. or a monkey to a man..I can't see how it would happen. They say it happened with favorable mutations.. but mutations arent favorable, that's the problem..


Hi NewTruth. Your view is similar to Mavos in that he sighted what he thinks the fossil record says, in that he thinks it doesn't show what some call macro evolution, or change from one species to another, and you sight the view that mutations degrade rather than upgrade with the same conclusion that species cant separate from a single pre-existing species. I guess the two views concordantly mutations and fossils dovetail here.

12-21-2010 08:21 AM
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Melancholymuse Wrote:
I totally agree with you on the mutations thing; no one has ever discovered a mutation that actually benefited the organism.

On top of that, science has shown solid evidence that if a genetic mutation is allowed to replicate it either kills the organism or fixes itself back to a normal state -- evolution is essentially impossible.


Hi Melancholymuse. Your comment is interesting because you seem to be referring to the built in DNA repairing mechanisms of the cell in combination with what NewTruth said in her view that mutation degrade as opposed to upgrade, meaning that you have two reasons why you think that mutations cant upgrade a species. To me its also interesting that you think that organisms with bad genetic change, if I can phrase it that way, die off. I agree on that point.

So far no one seems to agree with my view of classic evolution with no direct divine intervention.

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RE: Who Believes in Evolution?

Micro yes. Full no.

From one type of Dog spring many types of Dogs.

No Alligators turning into seagulls.

NEVER is information added in any mutation only lost.

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RE: Who Believes in Evolution?

BethelBoy Wrote:
Micro yes. Full no.

From one type of Dog spring many types of Dogs.

No Alligators turning into seagulls.

NEVER is information added in any mutation only lost.

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each "according to their kind," right wayne? :whistle:

what a novel idea. ;)


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BethelBoy Wrote:
Micro yes. Full no.

From one type of Dog spring many types of Dogs.

No Alligators turning into seagulls.

NEVER is information added in any mutation only lost.

BB:happyheart::heartbeat::happyheart:


Its interesting the delineation between micro and macro evolution here. The view that animals on the ark produced all the species on the earth without genetic change is interesting. The view is as you expressed, that from one type of dog produced all the dogs species we have today. The presumption I guess is that because of limited space on the ark, representative kinds were kept on it so Noah didn't have to waist space gathering every type of dog around before the flood for instance.

What I find interesting is that the coyote and fox cannot interbreed, and they have a different number of chromosomes. The coyote has 78 but the Red fox has 38. This would seem to indicate some genetic change that would appear to contradict the non macro evolution view if they came from a single ancestor on the ark.

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