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Derek
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RE: Why... Heaven?

Hi Int,
You wrote:
I don't know. If two species can breed (even if the offspring are sterile), then there is a distinct possibility they are of the same KIND, but have lost the ability to interbreed. So the zebra and horse may have been of the same kind if they could potentially breed, although I appreciate they may be sterile which keeps them separate as "species", but still related by "Kind".

You are speculating, Int, to preserve what you believe is a 'Kind' doctrine..a truth to you.



Think of it like this. God designed each "kind" to produce variety, i.e. what we today label as different "species". He did not need to individually create each and every type of dog known to man today, because those were built into the DNA of the first "dog".

I think you are seeing that the simple explanation of "after their 'Kind' " is not enough...There comes a point where the genetic difference in a 'Kind' is too divergent to produce, even, infertile offspring, unless some geneticist produces a 'chimera'.


This is what Wikipedia says about cross breeding in the 'dog family' but I cannot verify:


Genetic considerations

Members of the dog genus Canis: wolves, dogs (both common dogs and dingoes), coyotes, and golden jackals cannot interbreed with members of the wider dog family: the Canidae, such as South American canids, foxes, African wild dogs, bat-eared foxes or raccoon dog; or, if they could, their offspring would be infertile.

Members of the genus Canis species can, however, all interbreed to produce fertile offspring, with two exceptions: the side-striped jackal and black-backed jackal. Although these two theoretically could interbreed with each other to produce fertile offspring, they cannot hybridize successfully with the rest of the genus Canis.

The reason for this lies in their genetics. The wolf, dingo, dog, coyote, and golden jackal diverged relatively recently, around three to four million years ago, and all have 78 chromosomes arranged in 39 pairs. This allows them to hybridize freely (barring size or behavioral constraints) and produce fertile offspring. The side-striped jackal and black-backed jackal both have 74 chromosomes. Other members of the Canidae family, which diverged seven to ten million years ago, are less closely related to and cannot hybridize with the wolf-like canids; the red fox has 38 chromosomes, the raccoon dog has 42 chromosomes, the fennec fox has 64 chromosomes, and the African wild dog has 78 chromosomes.



We go in faith, our own great weakness feeling,
And needing more each day Thy grace to know:
Yet from our hearts a song of triumph pealing,
“We rest on Thee, and in Thy Name we go.”
07-30-2011 10:52 AM
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RE: Why... Heaven?

Hi Everyone:hibye:

I LIKE this thread! I spent some time reading the Old Testament, again, this summer-thanks to Polk County sticking me in jail for 56 days on a false charge. Ugh! And I thought that I wanted to feel prison persecution like the apostles! And, don't forget Revelations 2:10 "Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown." Even I wonder, what I am even thinking half the time, WANTING to go through stupid things! :dontknow:

The Old Testament and the New Testament do not fall in harmony like we were taught as Jehovah's Witnesses. I spent the last year praying to God to help me appreciate why I am to follow the son when there is ONE God who is a jealous God, who desires our WHOLE heart, soul and mind. That statement alone makes it difficult to elevate a fleshly human that was brought to spirit kingship on other humans watch over 2000 years ago. As, all of us sturdy spiritual wannabes, I dig in deeper and do appreciate the OT's prophecies of an anointed being elevated.

The more disturbing facts, I noticed and they were brought out in the beginning posts, is that ALL the nations around had heavenly hopes and baptismal rites. Even the OT sacrificial offerings were like those of the nations. How is the building of a golden calf to worship MUCH different than the ceremonial burning a calf? The rituals of cleansings and offerings are not much different than what we would consider devil worship of the pagans. I know I sound heretic! Oh well, not my worst life blunder, I'm sure.

ONE scripture stands out as I plod along in this life: ALL the world is being mislead.

About the new heavens and new earth, in my thoughts at this time is that it is a NEW earth because Revelations 21:1 says "Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea."

I pray you are all well, I've missed you all:hug:

Debbie


We may be suffering for a time but all things that belong to our Father will be bought back for Him. Be patient and have faith:pray: Learning to listen, patiently, for our deliverance.
09-14-2011 11:02 AM
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RE: Why... Heaven?

Ontheedge Wrote:
Hi Everyone:hibye:

I LIKE this thread! I spent some time reading the Old Testament, again, this summer-thanks to Polk County sticking me in jail for 56 days on a false charge. Ugh! And I thought that I wanted to feel prison persecution like the apostles! And, don't forget Revelations 2:10 "Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown." Even I wonder, what I am even thinking half the time, WANTING to go through stupid things! :dontknow:

The Old Testament and the New Testament do not fall in harmony like we were taught as Jehovah's Witnesses. I spent the last year praying to God to help me appreciate why I am to follow the son when there is ONE God who is a jealous God, who desires our WHOLE heart, soul and mind. That statement alone makes it difficult to elevate a fleshly human that was brought to spirit kingship on other humans watch over 2000 years ago. As, all of us sturdy spiritual wannabes, I dig in deeper and do appreciate the OT's prophecies of an anointed being elevated.

The more disturbing facts, I noticed and they were brought out in the beginning posts, is that ALL the nations around had heavenly hopes and baptismal rites. Even the OT sacrificial offerings were like those of the nations. How is the building of a golden calf to worship MUCH different than the ceremonial burning a calf? The rituals of cleansings and offerings are not much different than what we would consider devil worship of the pagans. I know I sound heretic! Oh well, not my worst life blunder, I'm sure.

ONE scripture stands out as I plod along in this life: ALL the world is being mislead.

About the new heavens and new earth, in my thoughts at this time is that it is a NEW earth because Revelations 21:1 says "Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea."

I pray you are all well, I've missed you all:hug:

Debbie


Hi Debbie

Re: "Hi Everyone"

Hi.

By the way....the link to the new (and improved, he, he), Paradise Cafe is:

http://paradisecafediscussions.org/forum/index.php

Christian love,

gogh


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09-14-2011 03:12 PM
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